A quick review of the conference tournament fields, for the those conferences where the regular season schedule has concluded and field has been set, reveals a couple of teams as #1 Seeds in their respective conference tournament, and therefore, changes who I identify as the current conference champion possessing the automatic bid.
In the Southern Conference, UNC Greensboro is identified as the #1 Seed, replacing East Tennessee State as the Southern Auto-bid holder. UNC Greensboro enters the field as a #15 Seed, and pushes Florida Gulf Coast up a seed line to #14.
The bigger change comes from the Missouri Valley Conference, where Illinois State is listed as the #1 Seed, moving it into the field after previously residing on the bubble as one of the First 4 Out. Wichita State, who had been identified as the Auto-Bid Holder now moves onto the at-large bubble, and is identified as one of the last 4 in. This changes squeezed Rhode Island out of the field and into the first team out.
Tuesday, February 28, 2017
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Friday, February 24, 2017
Let's talk about Wake Forest ...
Why Wake Forest? Well, one of the posters at 'Old Gold and Black Boards' linked my blog in a Bracketology discussion (http://www.ogboards.com/forums/showthread.php/27440-Bracketology-2017/), and cut and pasted my post on what we might have learned from last year that we can apply to this year's bubble teams. It prompted some discussion, and thought I might address some of the points made here and just post a link to it in their message board when I get permission, for those interested in what I have to say on the subject of Wake Forest, as they stand, today.
A few things worth noting before I dive in ... I have absolutely no rooting interest, one way or the other, as it relates to Wake Forest being selected or left out. I'm not a big fan of the ACC, and in fact, typically root against most of the ACC 'Big Dogs' ... North Carolina (Can't stand Roy Williams), Louisville (Can't stand Rick Pitino), and Duke (They beat my Wisconsin Badgers for the National Title and I still haven't gotten over it). I like Virginia, but only because I'm a huge Tony Bennett fan. The opinions I offer on Wake are rooted in numbers and analysis and not due to any love or disdain for the program. In fact, I don't know that I can think of a program I am more ambivalent about.
Also worth noting, is that I acknowledge that my theories may be complete bullshit. I try to root them in some facts, and the experience of doing this as a hobby for a decade now ... but beyond that, I'm just a dude who likes to spend a month or two a year crunching numbers and seeing if I can do better than Joe Lunardi (I did last year, btw) at picking the fielding, and projecting the seeding of the teams selected.
So ... on to Wake Forest. First, the discussion on that board made me go back and look more closely at Wake Forest, and where I had them on my 'Bubble Board'. After closer inspection, I moved them up a few spots, and they are now in my list of 'Next Four Out' ... pushing Ole Miss out of that grouping.
Next, the biggest question that seems to be raised in relation to my blog post is where Wake stands if they beat Louisville. In my opinion, if Wake beats Louisville, the entire landscape for Wake changes. Most importantly, they get the critical 'O-Fer' vs. top 25 off their back. Next, they get a Top 10 Win! The only other bubble teams with a Top 10 Win are Marquette, Vanderbilt, Georgia Tech, Kansas State, Tennessee and Indiana have. I have Marquette, Vanderbilt, G-Tech in the field, and Tennessee as first team out and K-State as 3rd Team out. With 0 Losses outside the top 100, my guess is they catapult right to the cusp of getting in. Follow that with a win over Va-Tech and at least 1 Tourney win, and they will be a hot topic on Selection Sunday. Lose, and they're left needing a deep tourney run, with at least 2 wins over top 50 teams, and 1 of them top 25, along with a win in the regular season finale vs. Va-Tech to get in.
I did notice someone on the board indicate that they think Wake's resume' is unique, and there isn't a similar one from last year to compare to. I respectfully disagree. I actually think the Florida Gators of 15/16 have a very similar resume' to what Wake has now.
'16 Florida '17 Wake
RPI 46 38
NC-SOS Rank 5 (10-5 Record) 21 (9-3 Record)
Vs. Top 25 1-7 0-8
Vs. Top 50 2-8 1-9 (2-10 with L to LU and W over VT)
Vs. Top 100 7-13 8-12
Vs. Top 150 12-14 10-12
vs 100+ 12-1 8-0
While no comparison is perfect, that is pretty close, and could be even closer depending on how the regular season and conference tourney bare out for Wake Forest. Florida was likely not under discussion for a big after losing in the 2nd round of the SEC Tourney last year. This further illustrates the importance of beating Louisville and at least one more Top 50 Team before the ACC Tourney ends to get in.
The problem Wake Forest has is they haven't beaten anyone. Yes, they have played a difficult schedule, and have no bad losses. At some point though, and I think last year's at-large selections largely bare this out, it doesn't matter how tough your schedule is if you don't win some games against the top 50 and get at least 1 against a top 25. Are there exceptions ... yes, Dayton and USC last year had 0 Top 25 wins. It is possible Wake could be one this year, especially if they can get at least 2 Top 50 wins before their conference tourney run ends. But the likelihood is that short of that or a win over Louisville, they aren't even getting discussed by the Committee on Selection Weekend, let alone getting in.
Finally, I saw a couple notes complaining about who I have identified as bubble teams. Specifically, someone was particularly hacked off that TCU and Pitt are on that list. I don't disagree. I personally feel as though neither team is worthy of even being discussed at this point. But it's not my call ... and there are enough people out there who believe they are, that they need to be included in a list of teams under consideration. I learned a hard lesson last year when Tulsa was selected for the at Large field and I stopped tracking them after they got blown out in the first round of the Conf USA Tournament by an RPI 136 Team. My 'Scope' is much broader this year as a result.
A few things worth noting before I dive in ... I have absolutely no rooting interest, one way or the other, as it relates to Wake Forest being selected or left out. I'm not a big fan of the ACC, and in fact, typically root against most of the ACC 'Big Dogs' ... North Carolina (Can't stand Roy Williams), Louisville (Can't stand Rick Pitino), and Duke (They beat my Wisconsin Badgers for the National Title and I still haven't gotten over it). I like Virginia, but only because I'm a huge Tony Bennett fan. The opinions I offer on Wake are rooted in numbers and analysis and not due to any love or disdain for the program. In fact, I don't know that I can think of a program I am more ambivalent about.
Also worth noting, is that I acknowledge that my theories may be complete bullshit. I try to root them in some facts, and the experience of doing this as a hobby for a decade now ... but beyond that, I'm just a dude who likes to spend a month or two a year crunching numbers and seeing if I can do better than Joe Lunardi (I did last year, btw) at picking the fielding, and projecting the seeding of the teams selected.
So ... on to Wake Forest. First, the discussion on that board made me go back and look more closely at Wake Forest, and where I had them on my 'Bubble Board'. After closer inspection, I moved them up a few spots, and they are now in my list of 'Next Four Out' ... pushing Ole Miss out of that grouping.
Next, the biggest question that seems to be raised in relation to my blog post is where Wake stands if they beat Louisville. In my opinion, if Wake beats Louisville, the entire landscape for Wake changes. Most importantly, they get the critical 'O-Fer' vs. top 25 off their back. Next, they get a Top 10 Win! The only other bubble teams with a Top 10 Win are Marquette, Vanderbilt, Georgia Tech, Kansas State, Tennessee and Indiana have. I have Marquette, Vanderbilt, G-Tech in the field, and Tennessee as first team out and K-State as 3rd Team out. With 0 Losses outside the top 100, my guess is they catapult right to the cusp of getting in. Follow that with a win over Va-Tech and at least 1 Tourney win, and they will be a hot topic on Selection Sunday. Lose, and they're left needing a deep tourney run, with at least 2 wins over top 50 teams, and 1 of them top 25, along with a win in the regular season finale vs. Va-Tech to get in.
I did notice someone on the board indicate that they think Wake's resume' is unique, and there isn't a similar one from last year to compare to. I respectfully disagree. I actually think the Florida Gators of 15/16 have a very similar resume' to what Wake has now.
'16 Florida '17 Wake
RPI 46 38
NC-SOS Rank 5 (10-5 Record) 21 (9-3 Record)
Vs. Top 25 1-7 0-8
Vs. Top 50 2-8 1-9 (2-10 with L to LU and W over VT)
Vs. Top 100 7-13 8-12
Vs. Top 150 12-14 10-12
vs 100+ 12-1 8-0
While no comparison is perfect, that is pretty close, and could be even closer depending on how the regular season and conference tourney bare out for Wake Forest. Florida was likely not under discussion for a big after losing in the 2nd round of the SEC Tourney last year. This further illustrates the importance of beating Louisville and at least one more Top 50 Team before the ACC Tourney ends to get in.
The problem Wake Forest has is they haven't beaten anyone. Yes, they have played a difficult schedule, and have no bad losses. At some point though, and I think last year's at-large selections largely bare this out, it doesn't matter how tough your schedule is if you don't win some games against the top 50 and get at least 1 against a top 25. Are there exceptions ... yes, Dayton and USC last year had 0 Top 25 wins. It is possible Wake could be one this year, especially if they can get at least 2 Top 50 wins before their conference tourney run ends. But the likelihood is that short of that or a win over Louisville, they aren't even getting discussed by the Committee on Selection Weekend, let alone getting in.
Finally, I saw a couple notes complaining about who I have identified as bubble teams. Specifically, someone was particularly hacked off that TCU and Pitt are on that list. I don't disagree. I personally feel as though neither team is worthy of even being discussed at this point. But it's not my call ... and there are enough people out there who believe they are, that they need to be included in a list of teams under consideration. I learned a hard lesson last year when Tulsa was selected for the at Large field and I stopped tracking them after they got blown out in the first round of the Conf USA Tournament by an RPI 136 Team. My 'Scope' is much broader this year as a result.
Thursday, February 23, 2017
Bubble Analysis: Did last year teach us anything?
Success in projecting brackets begins with being able to correctly identify who is, and who is not, 'On the bubble', and then, by selection Sunday correctly identifying which of those bubble teams the committee will select for the field of 68, and which one's it will leave out. The selection committee, because it has changes year over year, both in membership and leadership, tends to have its own unique criteria for winnowing the bubble and arriving at the final field, and therein lies the challenge ... are they going to apply similar thinking to this year's field, or will this committee break with past tendencies and start new ones?
Only Marquette and Georgia Tech appear on all three lists ... Applying last year's criteria, they would appear to be well positioned today to be selected.
There is obviously no way of knowing this for certain, but its still critical to look back at the previous season's selection and attempt to identify clues as to what the committee may do this season. So let's take a look back and see what, if anything we can learn about last year's selection, and which bubble teams got in, which were left out. I think it is fair to say that last year was one of the most difficult fields to project in some time based on the number of people who missed on multiple teams either getting in or not making it.
The NCAA does provide some insight into their thinking by providing a true seed list after seeding and pairings have been revealed. This seed list ranks all 68 teams from 1 to 68, and through this we can identify the 8 at-large teams that made up the last 8 teams selected, and how the committee ranked them.
Here is the list of the final 8 teams to make the field last season, as ranked by the selection committee:
- Pittsburgh
- Temple
- Syracuse
- VCU
- Vanderbilt
- Michigan
- Wichita State
- Tulsa
- St. Boneventure
- San Deigo State
- St. Mary's
- Monmouth
- Valparaiso
In trying to identify the characteristics that the teams that were selected had in common, I found some pretty interesting characteristics that seemed to have absolutely no bearing on selecting the bubble teams that many have believed have been important in the past.
RPI was meaningless:
- The average RPI rank of the 8 teams above that got in was 56.5.
- The rank of those 5 that didn't was 43.6.
Road/Nuetral Record was meaningless - Every year we hear pundits talk about the importance of winning away from the home gym as an indicator of tournament worthiness. The logic ... you don't play any NCAA tournament games on your home floor, so you have to show the committee you can play well on the road. But when it came to bubble teams, R/N record appeared to mean nothing last year
- Winning Pct in R/N Games for 8 teams above who got in - only 48.1%
- Winning Pct in R/N Games for 5 Teams above who missed - a very good 68.3%
Vanderbilt was awful away from it's place - going 5-11 (31.3%)
Monmouth was great on the road - going 17-6 (73.9%). They played 67% of their games away from home, won 74% of them, and three times as many as Vanderbilt and still were left out. Clearly, road record meant nothing to the committee when it came to selecting the final at large teams.
Winning Percentage vs RPI Top 100 or 150 was meaningless
- Winning Percentage of select bubble teams was just 42.6% and 47.5% respectively
- Winning Percentage of our 5 Teams not selected were 53% and 63% respectively.
This was among the most surprising finding. Emphasis in the past seemed to have placed a premium on those teams who were successful more often than not against teams in the RPI top 150 and top 100. Vanderbilt was a dismal 9-13 vs the RPI top 150, while Monmouth was 10-4. Michigan was an awful 4-12 vs the top 100 ... St.Mary's a solid 6-3.
So, those things didn't matter ... what did?
Getting wins against RPI Top 25 and Top 50 Opponents
So can anything be gleaned from this? Honestly we won't know until selection Sunday if these criteria weighed as heavily in selection this year as they seemed to last year. But if it does, here are some of the teams currently on the bubble that would stand to benefit ... and others who may be in some trouble if they don't get some big wins.
- Of the 8 bubble teams selected by the committee all of them had at least 1 win vs. the RPI top 25, and all but one (Wichita State) had at least 2 wins vs. the RPI top 50.
- Of the 5 teams that didn't make the field, 3 did not have a win vs. the RPI top 25 and all but 1 had 2 wins or less vs the RPI top 50.
- The winning percentage of the selected teams vs the RPI Top 50 was 31.6% while of those left out, the percentage was 45%. Raw wins, trumped winning percentage.
- A team was better off being 2-7 vs top 50 (Pitt, VCU) than being 2-2 (St, Mary's, Monmouth) so long as they had a least 1 win against the Top 25.
Getting wins against the rest of the selected field
- Each of the teams that made the field won at least 4 games against the other 67 teams in the field (except Wichita State who had 3)
- Each of the teams that missed the field failed to win more than 4 (Except St. Boneventure who had 5).
Minimizing bad losses (Against teams outside RPI top 150)
- 7 of the 8 teams selected had 1 or fewer losses outside the RPI 150
- 4 of the 5 teams left out of the field had 1 or more losses outside the RPI 150 and 3 had losses to teams outside the top 200.
By the way, I have not calculated the 'vs the teams under consideration' data, and won't until near the end of Conference tournaments. Its a long and arduous task that becomes obsolete the moment a team plays itself out of bubble consideration, or a new team emerges as a conference tournament champion that changes the field. That analysis will have to wait.
So back to seeing what last year's criteria (minus vs. Field) tells us the bubble looks like today:
First, lets define who our bubble teams are. Based on the cumulative seed average found on projected brackets at http://bracketmatrix.com/, here are the 24 teams widely regarded to be bubble teams as of Monday morning fighting it out for the last 8 at large spots, in no particular order:
Marquette
Oklahoma State
Seton Hall
Syracuse
Tennessee
Vanderbilt
Georgia Tech
Kansas State
California
Providence
Illinois State
Rhode Island
Pittsburgh
Indiana
TCU
Clemson
Alabama
Georgia
Ole Miss
Boise State
Wake Forest
Texas Tech
Colorado State
Houston
- 6 Teams with at least 2 wins vs. RPI Top 25: Marquette, Georgia Tech, Pitt, Syracuse, Providence, Indiana
- 5 Teams with at least 4 wins vs RPI top 50: Marquette, Syracuse, Georgia Tech, Vanderbilt, Clemson
- 10 Teams without a loss outside RPI top 150: Marquette, Georgia Tech, Seton Hall, Kansas State, Tennessee, TCU, Georgia, Ole Miss, Cal, Wake Forest
Perhaps it would be easier to find the teams missing all the criteria of last years selected bubble teams so we can rule them out:
- Teams without a win vs Top 25: TCU, Georgia, Ole Miss, California, Wake Forest, Clemson, Oklahoma State, Alabama, Houston, Illinois State, Colorado State
- Teams with 1 win or less vs Top 50: Houston, Colorado State, California, Wake Forest, Illinois State, Rhode Island, Boise State
- Teams with 1 loss or more outside RPI Top 200, or 2 losses outside RPI top 150: Colorado State, Providence, Pitt, Vanderbilt, Syracuse, Texas Tech.
When looking at last year's at large field (not just bubble) only two teams made the field without a win against the Top 25 ... USC and Dayton.
USC had 4 Top 50 wins though, were above .500 against top 150 and did not lose a game outside the RPI top 150. Of this year's crop of bubble teams without a top 25 win, the only team possessing the same 'profile' as USC last year is California.
Dayton's resume was a bit different ... they only had 3 top 50 wins, had a loss outside the RPI top 200 but were stellar against RPI top 150 (13-6) and top 100 (9-5). They also seemed to get rewarded for playing a difficult non conference schedule (9th NC-SOS) and having success (11-3). Oklahoma State is about the closest profile among bubble teams matching Dayton's from last year. Oklahoma State has 0 top 25 Wins, but a winning record against the RPI Top 150 (.529) and a 10-2 NC Record against the 31st toughest NC schedule.
Wichita State was the only team a year ago with less than 2 wins against the top 50. So what was unique about the rest of their resume that seemed to overcome the shortcoming of having so few Top 50 wins. Well, of the bubble teams, they were the only one with a win against an RPI Top 10 (A home win vs. Utah). They also did not have a loss outside the RPI top 150 and only 1 loss outside the top 100. No team in this year's bubble field has a profile that matches ... Rhode Island has just one Top 50 Win, but it is against a top 25, though not top 10 ... and have 0 losses outside the RPI top 100. Tennessee has 2 Top 50 wins, and 1 against a top 10, but they have a loss outside the top 100 (Though not top 150). Rhode Island appears to be the closest match
Finally, 5 At Large teams made the field with losses outside the top 200 ... and 2 were bubble teams (Temple and Syracuse). The others were Maryland, Dayton and Wisconsin. We have explored Dayton's unique profile, and found our closest match, so lets focus on what Maryland and Wisconsin seemed to have in common. Both won at least 62.5% of games against Top 150, 53% against top 100 and had at least 5 wins vs. the top 50. None of our bubble teams this year share those criteria.
So ... of our 24 teams, it appears we can find 4 (Marquette, Georgia Tech, California, Oklahoma State) as teams with all or most of profiles of bubble or at large teams that qualified a year ago, suggesting that if last year's criteria were applied, they all may have done enough to get in already.
The best thing the remaining teams can do, short of winning thier respective Conference Tournament and automatic bid, is to do the obvious - get wins against the best opponents left on their schedule and avoid losses to teams over 100+ RPI. If you don't have any RPI top 25 games left, and haven't gotten a win against one yet, chances are you are going to get left out.
Tuesday, February 21, 2017
Welcome to my NCAA Tournament Projection Site - 2017 Edition
Welcome to my NCAA Tournament Projection Site. For close to a decade now I have tried my hand at projecting the NCAA Tournament Field, and correctly identifying the seeding of each team selected. If you want to know more about how this came to be an annual tradition for me, please read the following:
http://bracketprophet.blogspot.com/2016/03/bracket-projections-march-4.html
http://bracketprophet.blogspot.com/2016/03/bracket-projections-march-4.html
Thanks to having to under-go Open Heart Surgery to replace a faulty Heart Valve earlier this month, I find myself with lots of free time to watch college basketball, and start the process of projecting the field a little sooner than normal, as a I convalesce. Because the surgery was a proactive procedure, I had some say in when to have it done. I specifically chose early February knowing that my recovery period would fall during my favorite time of the year in sports. I will now be home all day during those glorious 10 days of conference championship tournaments, and of course, for the entire course of the 2017 NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament, which I contend is the greatest sporting event ever devised. So far, my plan is coming off better than expected. I feel better than I expected to at this point following surgery, and as a result, I'm getting a jump start on projecting the field. It's going to be nice for the first time being able to take on this project without having to balance it with work, etc. I doubt it will make my analysis any better, but is sure is going to make recovery a heck of a lot more bearable.
Monday, February 20, 2017
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